Norman Groudine says that Harvey Groudine was lost at sea. Another source says he disappeared in Paris.

1955 May have been enrolled at UC Berkeley (US Yearbooks on www.ancestry.com, includes photograph)

1964 A Harvey Elliot Groudine admitted to the California bar Sept 4, 1964 (http://members.calbar.ca.gov/fal/Member/Detail/35780)
- Suspended July 6, 1981 for failure to pay member fees.
- This gentleman was at 201 North La Peer Dr., Apt 202, Beverly Hills, CA 90211
- Undergraduate School: University of California Berkeley